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Offline KarlHindle

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Parents who abduct children should face longer in prison, says top judge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8954072/Parents-who-abduct-children-should-face-longer-in-prison-says-top-judge.html

...but note the reference only to fathers.

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It's true that the cases that resulted in the call for review seemed to involve fathers who abducted their children, but the judge seems to want to protect all left behind parents...

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Such crimes result in “depriving the other parent of the joy of his or her children and depriving the children from contact with a loving parent with whom they no longer wish to communicate,” he said.
- "he" in this instance is Lord Judge.

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yup
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It is commonplace to use the most compelling cases as examples of social problems when trying to advocate for change.  That's why, when we hear about Domestic Violence the examples provided are things like women being severely beaten or killed (a very, very small minority of cases,) even though when they gather the statistics that say things like "80% of women have been victims of Domestic Violence" their definition of DV includes things like economic, social, emotional, financial, psychological, etc "abuse."

Father's (aka men) are, apparently, incapable of feeling pain, or at least have done something to deserve it if they do, and do not make for sympathetic victims.

As such it's not surprising that, when trying to get tougher laws against parental kidnapping, they only talk about when fathers abduct children.

On the one hand I'm just glad to see that the issue is being taken more seriously and understand the way they need to position the issue in the social problems marketplace.

On the other-hand, I expect the same thing that's happening with the Hague Convention will happen with UK's kidnapping laws.

When a mother abducts the children they will say "no one ever anticipated that this law could be used against a mother," even though it was plain as day that the law could be used against either parent and anyone trying to tell you that no one could have foreseen such a thing at the time the law was written is, implicitly, also implying you are mildly retarded enough to believe such nonsense.

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It is commonplace to use the most compelling cases as examples of social problems when trying to advocate for change.  That's why, when we hear about Domestic Violence the examples provided are things like women being severely beaten or killed (a very, very small minority of cases,) even though when they gather the statistics that say things like "80% of women have been victims of Domestic Violence" their definition of DV includes things like economic, social, emotional, financial, psychological, etc "abuse."

Wow, this definition makes me a victim of Domestic Violence?

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When a mother abducts the children they will say "no one ever anticipated that this law could be used against a mother," even though it was plain as day that the law could be used against either parent and anyone trying to tell you that no one could have foreseen such a thing at the time the law was written is, implicitly, also implying you are mildly retarded enough to believe such nonsense.
 
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Surely "they" have not done their reseach.

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Wow, this definition makes me a victim of Domestic Violence?

 

Under basically any modern day definition of Domestic Violence parental child abduction is an extreme act of psychological, emotional, financial and relationship abuse and an extreme act of Domestic Violence.  When the abductor then makes false claims of Domestic Violence that, iteself, is also a form of psychological, emotional, financial, family and legal abuse.  All told, every allegation of Domestic Violence represents REAL Domestic Violence.  The trick is to figure out which party is the abused and which one is the abuser.

All of that said, there's another, very important, key to understanding the issue of Domestic Violence as it exists today....

Only women can be victims of domestic violence.

While men are often more successful at causing injury than women, it does not detract from the fact that all violence, physically injurious or not, can result in emotional harm to the victim and to children, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator.

As most people are aware, it is not about the bruises to the body, but to the psyche- to all those involved. Actual physical harm is serious, but treating the greater incidence of female injuries as though they encapsulate and define the domestic violence problem in its entirety is myopic at best, ideologically disingenuous at worst.

It is born of gender tunnel vision, where only one victim, one kind of pain and one perpetrator is visible.
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Well put Carlos
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