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Offline Atlantic965

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If Sean: the cry of blood
What makes someone a parent?
Eliane Brum
 
ELIANE BRUM
It's special reporter SEASON I do not know if the boy Sean Bianchi Goldman should be the biological father, David, or the stepfather, John decided, then ask permission to express my not sure, but my doubts. I apologize to readers who expect a sentence, but I have none. What I have many questions. And the greatest of these is what makes someone a parent.
 
Climate that scares me the game of football - now competing with the goals of Ronaldo in Corinthians - about the fate of a child of nine years. And surprising as it seems easy to dismiss most of the future for someone just based on what you read, seen or heard in the press. Strikes me as almost all are sure of what is best for a child who never knew. And that bothers me is easy to judge and to make judgments on the undisputed destination of people.
 
What draws most attention, however, is that most of the arguments in favor of "certainty" that the boy should stay with the biological father can be summarized by a sort of "cry blood." David would have more right than John because it is father. And it's because dad has the same blood.
 
I then propose that the central question to readers. What makes someone a parent? To me, it seems that the answer is - only - the blood.
 
David is a good father because either the custody of the child? Or David is a bad father because it would have been four years without seeing the boy on board of clever lawyers? David is a good father because he loves the child says in the TV program of great audience? Or David is a bad father because commercially expose the child from all forms of tags to shirts?
 
His ex-wife, Bruna, kidnapped the boy and carried away a loving father? Or fled with his son and family to the country where they felt safe, a man who broke cabinets with handles? John the father, is a good father? Or has interests excuses to stay with the son of the woman who lost? How to change Sean language, country and family after so many years? Or how will be?
 
I do not know. But I am surprised to note that everyone seems to know. And not only know, as sure.
 
The argument totalitarian blood, fencing in all forums as incontrovertible proof of fatherhood can be very perverse. I have made reports about children abused by beatings and sexual violations, and heard more than once, of mothers and families: "It hurts, it is violent, but his father. And father is a father. " As "the blood" of this man to a power of life and death over his son. As the blood - the atavistic cry - all that must be taken into account to decide which is the best choice for a child.
 
David can be a great father, even though some signs might make us suspect not. Just like John can be a great father. The fact that John's family has money does not immediately transform into the executioner. And the fact that David did not have no money to convert the victim. Life is a little more complex than that. And this is a difficult case. What is the best answer to the boy?
 
I do not know. But I find that I am far from the Brazilian Justice a model of efficiency, I hope the judges of fact and law to pursue their task more difficult questions and less pressure than those who shout orders for both here and in the United States. And that final sentence is the best for Sean, as already violated the right to not have their lives transformed into international controversy.
 
In this issue, just have a certainty. Share the same blood "shows just who was the owner of the sperm that created that child. But does not make someone a parent, in the broadest sense of the complex and modern concept of fatherhood.
 
What makes someone a parent is a good question to turn this controversy into something to help us be better than we are. What is the best father to Sean Bianchi Goldman Justice task is responding. With all the defects that the Justice may have, democratic society has not yet found a better tool to judge destinations in abeyance.
 
Finally, everyone is quick to become judges, I practice the instrument of the doubt. Are questions that show us the way - not the certainty. And care. One day you too may have decreed his fate with the same ease as sensible for people like you.
 
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groups | MG / Albertina | 13/03/2009 18:44
Hood rat
The House of Representatives passed the U.S. resolution unanimously calling on Brazil to comply with the Hague Convention on the civil aspects of international kidnapping of children in case of boy Sean Goldman. The resolution asks the government to facilitate and support federal procedures to return Sean to the biological father. The text notes that the adoptive father of the boy, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva would have tried to "secretly" take the surname of Goldman legally take the child to his paternity in Brazil. The resolution stipulates that the State Department should point to Brazil as "descumpridor" of the international convention, claiming that there are 50 cases in children, as Sean, had been removed illegally from the United States.
MARI | SC / Balneario Camboriu | 13/03/2009 18:20
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taken even if you are certain that Sean get back to living together in his father, at least we make sure that he will not suffer any aliencao parental as sifo has done these last four years
Conrado | RJ / Rio de Janeiro | 13/03/2009 17:58
IN THE NAME OF LOVE ...
What you see here is that all eagerly pro Bianchi and Lins e Silva (that includes the season with his magazine journalism biased) they want to charge is that Q did everything as is and are claimed in the name of love (the one is clear !) are then justified the forced separation of father, the charges that he had asked for access to the child, the lies, the maracatu and combine the slander to the Father, and therefore they should be crowned with the custody of the boy. Of course I can not say that this only happens in Brazil, because people kind of bad, selfish, pernósticas, which are beyond good and evil, exist throughout the world, including the U.S. there. Q Only those people here are very easily hide and blessed by an adversarial legal system, weak laws and judges of dubious positions q tend to always tip the side of more "powerful". All q say the PAI should not have accepted the advice of their lawyers and have been to Brazil, as in fact did, see your child and try a reconciliation - attempted in various ways - is thinking, or trying to make us think, we live a country where everything is treated with fairness and common sense. Luckily, many of us, even brought a little by emotion, we have the discretion to draw OQ is in fact trying to do, not with the child, but with our entire judicial system. If the opposite and become q Bruna was in search of the child, I would be part of it as is, I can not!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Quote from: Teena;6857
http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI63826-15230,00-CASO+SEAN+O+CLAMOR+DO+SANGUE.html

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Wish I knew more languages!
 
From what I gather from Babelfish, she is saying blood does not a father make. And the judges are the best to decide.
 
Did they forget that David was totally involved in his life the first 4 years before he was taken away??!?

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It seems like she is trying to be unbiased but didn't do a very good job of it.
Thanks Atlantic
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:D*** They asked EPOCA readers to vote and David won with 57% that Sean should be returned. ****:D
 
 
If Sean: the cry of blood
What makes someone a parent?
Eliane Brum
 
ELIANE BRUM
It's special reporter SEASON I do not know if the boy Sean Bianchi Goldman should be the biological father, David, or the stepfather, John decided, then ask permission to express my not sure, but my doubts. I apologize to readers who expect a sentence, but I have none. What I have many questions. And the greatest of these is what makes someone a parent.
 
Climate that scares me the game of football - now competing with the goals of Ronaldo in Corinthians - about the fate of a child of nine years. And surprising as it seems easy to dismiss most of the future for someone just based on what you read, seen or heard in the press. Strikes me as almost all are sure of what is best for a child who never knew. And that bothers me is easy to judge and to make judgments on the undisputed destination of people.
 
What draws most attention, however, is that most of the arguments in favor of "certainty" that the boy should stay with the biological father can be summarized by a sort of "cry blood." David would have more right than John because it is father. And it's because dad has the same blood.
 
I then propose that the central question to readers. What makes someone a parent? To me, it seems that the answer is - only - the blood.
 
David is a good father because either the custody of the child? Or David is a bad father because it would have been four years without seeing the boy on board of clever lawyers? David is a good father because he loves the child says in the TV program of great audience? Or David is a bad father because commercially expose the child from all forms of tags to shirts?
 
His ex-wife, Bruna, kidnapped the boy and carried away a loving father? Or fled with his son and family to the country where they felt safe, a man who broke cabinets with handles? John the father, is a good father? Or has interests excuses to stay with the son of the woman who lost? How to change Sean language, country and family after so many years? Or how will be?
 
I do not know. But I am surprised to note that everyone seems to know. And not only know, as sure.
 
The argument totalitarian blood, fencing in all forums as incontrovertible proof of fatherhood can be very perverse. I have made reports about children abused by beatings and sexual violations, and heard more than once, of mothers and families: "It hurts, it is violent, but his father. And father is a father. " As "the blood" of this man to a power of life and death over his son. As the blood - the atavistic cry - all that must be taken into account to decide which is the best choice for a child.
 
David can be a great father, even though some signs might make us suspect not. Just like John can be a great father. The fact that John's family has money does not immediately transform into the executioner. And the fact that David did not have no money to convert the victim. Life is a little more complex than that. And this is a difficult case. What is the best answer to the boy?
 
I do not know. But I find that I am far from the Brazilian Justice a model of efficiency, I hope the judges of fact and law to pursue their task more difficult questions and less pressure than those who shout orders for both here and in the United States. And that final sentence is the best for Sean, as already violated the right to not have their lives transformed into international controversy.
 
In this issue, just have a certainty. Share the same blood "shows just who was the owner of the sperm that created that child. But does not make someone a parent, in the broadest sense of the complex and modern concept of fatherhood.
 
What makes someone a parent is a good question to turn this controversy into something to help us be better than we are. What is the best father to Sean Bianchi Goldman Justice task is responding. With all the defects that the Justice may have, democratic society has not yet found a better tool to judge destinations in abeyance.
 
Finally, everyone is quick to become judges, I practice the instrument of the doubt. Are questions that show us the way - not the certainty. And care. One day you too may have decreed his fate with the same ease as sensible for people like you.
 
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groups | MG / Albertina | 13/03/2009 18:44
Hood rat
The House of Representatives passed the U.S. resolution unanimously calling on Brazil to comply with the Hague Convention on the civil aspects of international kidnapping of children in case of boy Sean Goldman. The resolution asks the government to facilitate and support federal procedures to return Sean to the biological father. The text notes that the adoptive father of the boy, Joao Paulo Lins e Silva would have tried to "secretly" take the surname of Goldman legally take the child to his paternity in Brazil. The resolution stipulates that the State Department should point to Brazil as "descumpridor" of the international convention, claiming that there are 50 cases in children, as Sean, had been removed illegally from the United States.
MARI | SC / Balneario Camboriu | 13/03/2009 18:20
Flavia Nunes
taken even if you are certain that Sean get back to living together in his father, at least we make sure that he will not suffer any aliencao parental as sifo has done these last four years
Conrado | RJ / Rio de Janeiro | 13/03/2009 17:58
IN THE NAME OF LOVE ...
What you see here is that all eagerly pro Bianchi and Lins e Silva (that includes the season with his magazine journalism biased) they want to charge is that Q did everything as is and are claimed in the name of love (the one is clear !) are then justified the forced separation of father, the charges that he had asked for access to the child, the lies, the maracatu and combine the slander to the Father, and therefore they should be crowned with the custody of the boy. Of course I can not say that this only happens in Brazil, because people kind of bad, selfish, pernósticas, which are beyond good and evil, exist throughout the world, including the U.S. there. Q Only those people here are very easily hide and blessed by an adversarial legal system, weak laws and judges of dubious positions q tend to always tip the side of more "powerful". All q say the PAI should not have accepted the advice of their lawyers and have been to Brazil, as in fact did, see your child and try a reconciliation - attempted in various ways - is thinking, or trying to make us think, we live a country where everything is treated with fairness and common sense. Luckily, many of us, even brought a little by emotion, we have the discretion to draw OQ is in fact trying to do, not with the child, but with our entire judicial system. If the opposite and become q Bruna was in search of the child, I would be part of it as is, I can not!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Quote from: Teena;6857
http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI63826-15230,00-CASO+SEAN+O+CLAMOR+DO+SANGUE.html

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That is better than nothing. Probably low because Luca posted it on his Orkut page and THEY all voted. Is it still open for voting?
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Nevermind! I just voted for David! If anyone gets a chance go to this link and vote for David! It is in a box to the left. Choose the first option and click VOTAR
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I am bringing a sign to the rally tomorrow that says "Money buys justice and Epoca magazine". This lady, and Ruth (the one who wrote the main article) are totally biased and, as they admitted themselves, did not do any research.
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There's a reason this was posted on his Orkut site.
 
This author is very clearly leaning in a particular direction, and it's not towards David.
 
She writes with her focus as custody.
This case isn't about custody, yet that's how she presents it to her readers.
 
What this article should be focusing on is parental abduction and the Hague Treaty.

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A true father is the one that loves his kids unconditionly. A true father is the one who will move mountains to be with his son. A true father is the one who will never give up and will always love. If LeS was such a good step father he would know that the best for Sean would be to BE raised by his flesh and blood. Sean is not an orfan! He has a father! If LeS is a true man he would give up Sean. He's still young enough where he can adjust to coming back to a place where he lived for 4 years. It's not like he will be shiped to China!

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Re: Found this article on Lucas' orkut page. Can someone please translate?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 12:50:43 AM »
I was getting upset reading this article at first even though I have told myself may times not to read these things because I know 90% of it all junk with nothing but half truths supplied 10% of the time. After reading the comments though I felt much better :)  It just makes me want to get so defensive for David when they throw lies, slander, and hearsay his way.

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Re: Found this article on Lucas' orkut page. Can someone please translate?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 12:54:28 AM »
Quote from: liesl78;6891
I am bringing a sign to the rally tomorrow that says "Money buys justice and Epoca magazine". This lady, and Ruth (the one who wrote the main article) are totally biased and, as they admitted themselves, did not do any research.

That would be fanstastic :D

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Re: Found this article on Lucas' orkut page. Can someone please translate?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2009, 12:56:58 AM »
Quote from: Teena;6866
Nevermind! I just voted for David! If anyone gets a chance go to this link and vote for David! It is in a box to the left. Choose the first option and click VOTAR

Just voted & it is now at 57% for David

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Re: Found this article on Lucas' orkut page. Can someone please translate?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2009, 01:02:26 AM »
Quote from: Teena;6857
http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI63826-15230,00-CASO+SEAN+O+CLAMOR+DO+SANGUE.html

Good news/Globo :cheer:
EUA dizem que Brasil 'concorda' com devolução de menino alvo de disputa

Plantão | Publicada em 14/03/2009 às 01h11m
BBC

O secretário-assistente de Estado americano, Thomas Shannon, afirmou nesta sexta-feira que Brasil e Estados Unidos teriam posições idênticas a respeito do caso do menino S.G., pivô de uma disputa judicial sobre sua guarda.
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A criança vem sendo motivo de litígio entre seu pai americano, David Goldman, que deseja levar seu filho de volta aos Estados Unidos, e a família de Bruna, a mãe brasileira do garoto, que morreu durante o parto de outra criança.
S.G., de 8 anos, cujo nome não pode ser revelado porque o caso corre sob segredo de Justiça, está no Rio de Janeiro, onde vive com o padrasto.
O padrasto do garoto se casou com a brasileira após ela ter regressado dos Estados Unidos, trazendo seu filho e separando-se de seu antigo marido.
David Goldman vem pedindo a intervenção dos governos brasileiro e americano a fim de que a criança seja mandada de volta para os Estados Unidos.
"Nós deixamos muito claro que, do nosso ponto de vista, este é um caso que cai sob a jurisdição da Convenção de Haia e que S.G. deveria ser devolvido a seu pai", afirmou Thomas Shannon, durante entrevista coletiva nesta sexta-feira.
"O governo do Brasil acredita na mesma coisa e já o disse publicamente. Atualmente, o caso se encontra nos tribunais federais do Brasil", completou.
Mas a posição do governo brasileiro difere da descrita pelo representante americano. O Brasil tem dito oficialmente que a decisão final sobre o caso caberá ao Judiciário do país.
A secretária de Estado americana, Hillary Clinton, tem ido em sentido oposto à posição discreta do governo brasileiro e falado exaustivamente sobre o caso.
Hillary também tem defendido que a criança seja devolvida a seu pai americano.
Um grupo de ativistas ligados a David Goldman agendou um protesto em frente à Casa Branca para este sábado, pouco após o encontro entre o presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva e o líder americano, Barack Obama.
De acordo com os organizadores, a expectativa é de que pelo menos 200 pessoas compareçam à manifestação, mas o pai de S.G. não deverá estar presente, uma vez que se encontra no Brasil atualmente.
A mídia dos Estados Unidos também vem dando vasta atenção ao caso.
Nesta sexta-feira, a rede CNN dedicou dois blocos de um de seus programas ao tema.
Em sua edição desta sexta, o jornal Washington Post
afirma que quando Lula e Obama se encontrarem pela primeira vez, neste sábado, o tema que merecerá mais atenção "talvez não seja energia, o meio ambiente ou a segurança das Américas, mas sim a custódia de um menino de 8 anos de idade".
Para mais notícias, visite o site da BBC Brasil

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Re: Found this article on Lucas' orkut page. Can someone please translate?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2009, 01:20:27 AM »
That's really nice. Did anyone watch the CNN piece they are talking about? Also, it is not the first time reporters say that Hilary is talking about the case non-stop. Fantastico said she talked about it in many interviews and again this reporter. I only heard the one interview for NBC where she was asked and talked about it briefly. She is working on it but I don't think she's been out and about talking about it. If that were the case tho, what's wrong with it?